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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nix--&gt;So glad to have you with us!

Bon--&gt;I have a cartoon on left-handedness I need to post that&#039;s perfect for what you wrote about how it was once stigmatized in ways all too familiar, and as to your comparison to GLBTQ Christians mirroring the same experience as the early Church, I think we equally share in the story of the early Gentile Christians and how Paul advocated for their acceptance into the church by reminding the Jewish believers that Christ came for all. Dei ja vou!

Susan--&gt; I believe the testimony of our lives is the greatest thing we each have to give to others especially in communities like yours where there&#039;s much to be undone from the past. We might not make interesting fodder for mainstream films but it&#039;s more than wonderful enough for us, eh? 

D--&gt; Oh, those are difficult conversations to listen to, aren&#039;t they? It helps to know that while we can&#039;t get to everyone, there are people just like that young man in our own lives we can reach out to with encouragement and hope. 

Glad you all liked this post. I love that your comments are nearly as long as my post....well...almost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nix&#8211;>So glad to have you with us!</p>
<p>Bon&#8211;>I have a cartoon on left-handedness I need to post that&#8217;s perfect for what you wrote about how it was once stigmatized in ways all too familiar, and as to your comparison to GLBTQ Christians mirroring the same experience as the early Church, I think we equally share in the story of the early Gentile Christians and how Paul advocated for their acceptance into the church by reminding the Jewish believers that Christ came for all. Dei ja vou!</p>
<p>Susan&#8211;> I believe the testimony of our lives is the greatest thing we each have to give to others especially in communities like yours where there&#8217;s much to be undone from the past. We might not make interesting fodder for mainstream films but it&#8217;s more than wonderful enough for us, eh? </p>
<p>D&#8211;> Oh, those are difficult conversations to listen to, aren&#8217;t they? It helps to know that while we can&#8217;t get to everyone, there are people just like that young man in our own lives we can reach out to with encouragement and hope. </p>
<p>Glad you all liked this post. I love that your comments are nearly as long as my post&#8230;.well&#8230;almost!</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita, this post was spot on, and I agree with Susan, the best of the series.

I was listening to a Christian radio station yesterday morning, and the topic for the particular show was homosexuality. The host was talking with a young man who was distraught over his sexuality and called in for help. Listening to that conversation was so difficult, because all the host really accomplished was miring that poor lad in guilt and shame cloaked in the garb of freedom and peace. Hearing that discourse and reading this post really helped me to realize once again how vital it is for each of us to stand firmly in the joy and peace of living as God has made us and to bask unashamedly in His love.

Thank you very much for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita, this post was spot on, and I agree with Susan, the best of the series.</p>
<p>I was listening to a Christian radio station yesterday morning, and the topic for the particular show was homosexuality. The host was talking with a young man who was distraught over his sexuality and called in for help. Listening to that conversation was so difficult, because all the host really accomplished was miring that poor lad in guilt and shame cloaked in the garb of freedom and peace. Hearing that discourse and reading this post really helped me to realize once again how vital it is for each of us to stand firmly in the joy and peace of living as God has made us and to bask unashamedly in His love.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is the best one yet of this particular series, especially since I sooo identify with being &quot;the token&quot;.  I&#039;m OK with it....for now....because the place where I worship was rocked pretty hard by a homophobic priest in the mid-90s.  My sense is that God has a reason for why I&#039;ve been called back into weekly worship...and he has his own plan for why I am at this particular church.  If simply being me (joyful, open-hearted, crew cut me) in communion with others in my congregation can serve to educate and inform that &quot;being a lesbian doesn&#039;t mean being a lost soul in need of fixing&quot;...well, then, so be it.  
That image of homosexuality=horrible, empty life is pervasive *still* in the 21st century, and not just in the churches.  I am one of the few who didn&#039;t like &quot;Brokeback Mountain&quot; because I was disappointed that this &quot;ground-breaking film&quot; was once again depicting gay life as something that was deceitful and damaging to people&#039;s lives instead of simply another way of loving and living.  When will Hollywood have the guts to make &lt;i&gt; that &lt;/i&gt; a mainstream release movie?
Thank you for the reminder that ours really is a special role in our faith traditions.  And thank you so much for this series.  Come thou long-expected part six ;-)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is the best one yet of this particular series, especially since I sooo identify with being &#8220;the token&#8221;.  I&#8217;m OK with it&#8230;.for now&#8230;.because the place where I worship was rocked pretty hard by a homophobic priest in the mid-90s.  My sense is that God has a reason for why I&#8217;ve been called back into weekly worship&#8230;and he has his own plan for why I am at this particular church.  If simply being me (joyful, open-hearted, crew cut me) in communion with others in my congregation can serve to educate and inform that &#8220;being a lesbian doesn&#8217;t mean being a lost soul in need of fixing&#8221;&#8230;well, then, so be it.<br />
That image of homosexuality=horrible, empty life is pervasive *still* in the 21st century, and not just in the churches.  I am one of the few who didn&#8217;t like &#8220;Brokeback Mountain&#8221; because I was disappointed that this &#8220;ground-breaking film&#8221; was once again depicting gay life as something that was deceitful and damaging to people&#8217;s lives instead of simply another way of loving and living.  When will Hollywood have the guts to make <i> that </i> a mainstream release movie?<br />
Thank you for the reminder that ours really is a special role in our faith traditions.  And thank you so much for this series.  Come thou long-expected part six <img src='http://www.sisterfriends-together.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> !</p>
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		<title>By: Bon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my. Anita: &quot;If the church wants to know what’s tearing apart our families, what’s causing father and mother to turn against son and daughter, it’s not homosexuality. It’s how the church in its obsession over homosexuality is widening the chasm between Christian families and their gay family members as it continues to rail against homosexuality from a closed impenetrable position while ignoring the very real lives and testimonies of GLBTQ people.&quot; You speak to my family, who I fear to be honest with because I am &quot;possessed&quot; with the demon (yes, it&#039;s considered a personal demon) &quot;homosexuality.&quot; 

And you others, commenting! Deb on our being different, on our being scary. So true! How often is the &quot;Other&quot; considered sinister? Heck, even in the etymology of &quot;sinister&quot;! That is the Latin word for &quot;left&quot; (and &quot;dexter&quot; is for &quot;right&quot;). So, look at the history of so-called &quot;south paws,&quot; or left-handed people (like me). Until about fifty years ago, it was &quot;sinister&quot; to be a lefty, evil, gauche (yeah, the French word for &quot;left&quot;). Righties were dexterous, gracious, elegant. And this all because left-handednss wasn&#039;t the dominant tendency! And let&#039;s not even get started with the notion of the &quot;green-eyed monster&quot; (green eyes also being a recessive trait). Lord, help me, I&#039;m a left-handed, green-eyed lesbian. BOO!

Scary me.

And Eliz! You hit the other side of the issue begun by Deb. People either aggressively persecute us (fear gone rabid) or passively tokenize us (fear gone underground). I don&#039;t know which is worse---probably neither. But there&#039;s another kind of tokening---I&#039;m currently adjusting to being a token lesbian at my church and among my good friends, neither of which I think arises from fear (those who know in my church truly don&#039;t care whether I&#039;m gay or not, for this I am truly grateful!---my friends seem to have taken me as the spokeswoman for all homosexuality worldwide, as if my perspective on an issue is the universal word on the matter!). It&#039;s an odd responsibility that I (and it seems you, too, and the authers of &lt;i&gt;GIfted by Otherness&lt;/i&gt;, too) seem to now bear: to be a witness to the church.

And what strikes me is this: we are witnesses to the religious establishment, to the religious cultural traditions, like the early Christians were to theirs. To be a Christian today, in a Western nation, anyway, is not exactly a hard road to hoe. But to be a gay in the church is to challenvge the legitimacy of a very long tradition, much like being a follower of the Way in the Jewish culture was such a potent challenge.  I thank God for the examples I have, and pray I&#039;m up to the task!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my. Anita: &#8220;If the church wants to know what’s tearing apart our families, what’s causing father and mother to turn against son and daughter, it’s not homosexuality. It’s how the church in its obsession over homosexuality is widening the chasm between Christian families and their gay family members as it continues to rail against homosexuality from a closed impenetrable position while ignoring the very real lives and testimonies of GLBTQ people.&#8221; You speak to my family, who I fear to be honest with because I am &#8220;possessed&#8221; with the demon (yes, it&#8217;s considered a personal demon) &#8220;homosexuality.&#8221; </p>
<p>And you others, commenting! Deb on our being different, on our being scary. So true! How often is the &#8220;Other&#8221; considered sinister? Heck, even in the etymology of &#8220;sinister&#8221;! That is the Latin word for &#8220;left&#8221; (and &#8220;dexter&#8221; is for &#8220;right&#8221;). So, look at the history of so-called &#8220;south paws,&#8221; or left-handed people (like me). Until about fifty years ago, it was &#8220;sinister&#8221; to be a lefty, evil, gauche (yeah, the French word for &#8220;left&#8221;). Righties were dexterous, gracious, elegant. And this all because left-handednss wasn&#8217;t the dominant tendency! And let&#8217;s not even get started with the notion of the &#8220;green-eyed monster&#8221; (green eyes also being a recessive trait). Lord, help me, I&#8217;m a left-handed, green-eyed lesbian. BOO!</p>
<p>Scary me.</p>
<p>And Eliz! You hit the other side of the issue begun by Deb. People either aggressively persecute us (fear gone rabid) or passively tokenize us (fear gone underground). I don&#8217;t know which is worse&#8212;probably neither. But there&#8217;s another kind of tokening&#8212;I&#8217;m currently adjusting to being a token lesbian at my church and among my good friends, neither of which I think arises from fear (those who know in my church truly don&#8217;t care whether I&#8217;m gay or not, for this I am truly grateful!&#8212;my friends seem to have taken me as the spokeswoman for all homosexuality worldwide, as if my perspective on an issue is the universal word on the matter!). It&#8217;s an odd responsibility that I (and it seems you, too, and the authers of <i>GIfted by Otherness</i>, too) seem to now bear: to be a witness to the church.</p>
<p>And what strikes me is this: we are witnesses to the religious establishment, to the religious cultural traditions, like the early Christians were to theirs. To be a Christian today, in a Western nation, anyway, is not exactly a hard road to hoe. But to be a gay in the church is to challenvge the legitimacy of a very long tradition, much like being a follower of the Way in the Jewish culture was such a potent challenge.  I thank God for the examples I have, and pray I&#8217;m up to the task!</p>
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		<title>By: thisisnix</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a wonderful post, thanks for sharing.

I read all the way through nodding my head, and got to the last phrase and it left me with a big smile.

Regards, and smiles to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a wonderful post, thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>I read all the way through nodding my head, and got to the last phrase and it left me with a big smile.</p>
<p>Regards, and smiles to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. How could I add anything to what you&#039;ve all contributed other than to say how much I thank you each for taking the time to share a story or offer a reflection that takes what I wrote to a whole deeper place. I really am overwhelmed to the point of being speechless....but don&#039;t worry...that will pass all too soon. Again, thanks to each of you for the gifts you bring here. Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. How could I add anything to what you&#8217;ve all contributed other than to say how much I thank you each for taking the time to share a story or offer a reflection that takes what I wrote to a whole deeper place. I really am overwhelmed to the point of being speechless&#8230;.but don&#8217;t worry&#8230;that will pass all too soon. Again, thanks to each of you for the gifts you bring here. Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you.   I&#039;m sending parts of this to my pastor.   Very well said.
deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you.   I&#8217;m sending parts of this to my pastor.   Very well said.<br />
deb</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AH! So refreshing and replenishing to stop in along the journey and read here. 
These thoughts so resonate with me: &quot;homosexuality is more than a hot topic, a burning issue, or a controversy, it’s people. ...We’re faithful to our spouses. And we love Jesus.&quot; 
I think we just may be the &quot;token lesbians&quot; in our church also. It was surreal a while back when I shared that the pastor had called me to check in on sharing his heart with the call committee and congregation regarding inclusion of GLBTQ Christians. 
Thank you Anita for your labors of love for us all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AH! So refreshing and replenishing to stop in along the journey and read here.<br />
These thoughts so resonate with me: &#8220;homosexuality is more than a hot topic, a burning issue, or a controversy, it’s people. &#8230;We’re faithful to our spouses. And we love Jesus.&#8221;<br />
I think we just may be the &#8220;token lesbians&#8221; in our church also. It was surreal a while back when I shared that the pastor had called me to check in on sharing his heart with the call committee and congregation regarding inclusion of GLBTQ Christians.<br />
Thank you Anita for your labors of love for us all!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita-I love it when you get on your soapbox! Stir it up girl!

Eliz-You wrote....&quot;When we live our faith and our lives in the graceful strength of God’s love, He is revealed to others in a way they many not have seen before. Our very presence challenging the myths and prejudiced ideas of religion.&quot;

So very well said, this really is the call for ALL of us.

&quot;I belong and so do each of you.&quot;

I hope everyone reading this, who is struggling, will claim this line right here because it is so very true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita-I love it when you get on your soapbox! Stir it up girl!</p>
<p>Eliz-You wrote&#8230;.&#8221;When we live our faith and our lives in the graceful strength of God’s love, He is revealed to others in a way they many not have seen before. Our very presence challenging the myths and prejudiced ideas of religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>So very well said, this really is the call for ALL of us.</p>
<p>&#8220;I belong and so do each of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope everyone reading this, who is struggling, will claim this line right here because it is so very true!</p>
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		<title>By: Eliz Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliz Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita thank you. Thank you for sharing yourself with all the body of Christ.We truly are the face of happy Christian homosexuals. When we live our faith and our lives in the graceful strength of God&#039;s love, He is revealed to others in a way they many not have seen before. Our very presence challenging the myths and prejudiced ideas of religion.  
Just as each gay person is unique so to are those we meet, Christian or not. They to are a product of their experiences. Believing in God does not automatically mean we know all truth. Nor does it mean that we do not still carry many prejudices. There is not an us vs them in the body of Christ. Rather various members who although we may not realize they all need each other, we do. And it is by living in relationship that we learn the value and gifts we all bring.
As in a human body the lung may not  know that the pancreas exists or is necessary. But they both are needed. I often feel like the Body of Christ has had sugar diabetes. So many times the pancreas has been removed or shut down that it is no longer able to supply their gift to the body. 
Some times it is hard to live that invisible hidden part of we have been relegated to.  When we as gay Christians try to live open authentic lives within the community of faith we seem to become the token gay. Those who have shared our lives and come to really see US rather than our orientation some times make us feel like tokens of how enlightened they are. Then there are also so many people who have not seen a gay Christian because their prejudices are worn like a badge. Why would anyone expose themselves to the abuse. Yet as children of God we are being lead into the loins den. And God is closing the mouths of the loins. So with the strength of Truth as gay Christians we live within the body of Christ. Sometimes in the trepidation of the loins den with only God&#039;s word for strength. Sometimes loved as token objects. Yet all the same we come, live and give within the body of Christ because He has appointed who is in His body. 
It is always easier for me to share my self with those who may not accept me, but wish to be understanding than for those who try to cut me out of the body of Christ. Yet just as they don&#039;t get to decide who is in Christ neither do I. So I must trust that God has a plan for His body and live as He has called me too. I belong and so do each of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita thank you. Thank you for sharing yourself with all the body of Christ.We truly are the face of happy Christian homosexuals. When we live our faith and our lives in the graceful strength of God&#8217;s love, He is revealed to others in a way they many not have seen before. Our very presence challenging the myths and prejudiced ideas of religion.<br />
Just as each gay person is unique so to are those we meet, Christian or not. They to are a product of their experiences. Believing in God does not automatically mean we know all truth. Nor does it mean that we do not still carry many prejudices. There is not an us vs them in the body of Christ. Rather various members who although we may not realize they all need each other, we do. And it is by living in relationship that we learn the value and gifts we all bring.<br />
As in a human body the lung may not  know that the pancreas exists or is necessary. But they both are needed. I often feel like the Body of Christ has had sugar diabetes. So many times the pancreas has been removed or shut down that it is no longer able to supply their gift to the body.<br />
Some times it is hard to live that invisible hidden part of we have been relegated to.  When we as gay Christians try to live open authentic lives within the community of faith we seem to become the token gay. Those who have shared our lives and come to really see US rather than our orientation some times make us feel like tokens of how enlightened they are. Then there are also so many people who have not seen a gay Christian because their prejudices are worn like a badge. Why would anyone expose themselves to the abuse. Yet as children of God we are being lead into the loins den. And God is closing the mouths of the loins. So with the strength of Truth as gay Christians we live within the body of Christ. Sometimes in the trepidation of the loins den with only God&#8217;s word for strength. Sometimes loved as token objects. Yet all the same we come, live and give within the body of Christ because He has appointed who is in His body.<br />
It is always easier for me to share my self with those who may not accept me, but wish to be understanding than for those who try to cut me out of the body of Christ. Yet just as they don&#8217;t get to decide who is in Christ neither do I. So I must trust that God has a plan for His body and live as He has called me too. I belong and so do each of you.</p>
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