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	<title>Comments on: Jesus&#8217; Ethic of Love is More than Enough</title>
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		<title>By: jessi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther -- regardiwng your question about less intelligent versus less moral. Interesting idea. Which brings up a question between good morals and innate goodness. I&#039;ve always wondered because the Old Testament is so simplified like teaching little children, and as human society&#039;s ability to conceptualize God evolves, the New Testament shares God&#039;s love on a more critical thinking-level. Its like the difference between teaching 7th graders  versus college freshmen. Its like God trusting us with a bigger piece of the picture, instead of a set of rules to follow. We can intellectualize it more, and see the reasons behind the rules better, but does that actually make humans better more moral people? I would say no. Just because someone can intellectualize something doesn&#039;t mean they can ACTUALLY understand it better. People with down syndrom are some of the most loving people alive. To those of us who learn about things through intellectual deliberation, it might help us, but intelligence is not correlated to our ability to love. Sometimes it may even get in the way. Which ties us back to Pauls Cor 13...&quot; even if i can comprehend all the mysteries of the universe, but have not love, it is meaningless.&quot;  

For instance, my cousins see the world in black and white: Right and wrong. Rules help in their walk of faith. They both just graduated and married nice christian boys &amp; have babies on the way. they express their devotion to God by playing out a story that culture says is God&#039;s love story. Part of me wishes i were that simple.  Part of me wants to be cynical and judge them using rhetoric gained through years of education. But are my motives any more pure?  Who am i to judge someone else&#039;s expression of faith, just because i seek God through the mist of shades of grey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther &#8212; regardiwng your question about less intelligent versus less moral. Interesting idea. Which brings up a question between good morals and innate goodness. I&#8217;ve always wondered because the Old Testament is so simplified like teaching little children, and as human society&#8217;s ability to conceptualize God evolves, the New Testament shares God&#8217;s love on a more critical thinking-level. Its like the difference between teaching 7th graders  versus college freshmen. Its like God trusting us with a bigger piece of the picture, instead of a set of rules to follow. We can intellectualize it more, and see the reasons behind the rules better, but does that actually make humans better more moral people? I would say no. Just because someone can intellectualize something doesn&#8217;t mean they can ACTUALLY understand it better. People with down syndrom are some of the most loving people alive. To those of us who learn about things through intellectual deliberation, it might help us, but intelligence is not correlated to our ability to love. Sometimes it may even get in the way. Which ties us back to Pauls Cor 13&#8230;&#8221; even if i can comprehend all the mysteries of the universe, but have not love, it is meaningless.&#8221;  </p>
<p>For instance, my cousins see the world in black and white: Right and wrong. Rules help in their walk of faith. They both just graduated and married nice christian boys &amp; have babies on the way. they express their devotion to God by playing out a story that culture says is God&#8217;s love story. Part of me wishes i were that simple.  Part of me wants to be cynical and judge them using rhetoric gained through years of education. But are my motives any more pure?  Who am i to judge someone else&#8217;s expression of faith, just because i seek God through the mist of shades of grey?</p>
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		<title>By: The Message of Love &#171; Christian Lesbians</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Message of Love &#171; Christian Lesbians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to have a better theological reference of this idea, I highly recommend reading a great post titled Jesus’ Ethic of Love is More than Enough [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DragonLady</title>
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		<dc:creator>DragonLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God is love. Three words that contain all the truth of the Universe past and present but oh so difficult to wrap our hearts and heads around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is love. Three words that contain all the truth of the Universe past and present but oh so difficult to wrap our hearts and heads around.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not now......when? (I couldn&#039;t resist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not now&#8230;&#8230;when? (I couldn&#8217;t resist)</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph--&gt;Yep. If not today, tomorrow :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph&#8211;>Yep. If not today, tomorrow <img src='http://www.sisterfriends-together.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;......but maybe its because they’re confusing simple with easy.&quot;

Amen. Wow, that&#039;s a whole other post within itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;but maybe its because they’re confusing simple with easy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. Wow, that&#8217;s a whole other post within itself.</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly--&gt; Thank you. For some reason I&#039;ve been quite slow on getting through this series, though I realize it&#039;s less a conversation to get through as an open-ended conversation that will continue. I think part of the slowness has been that while I have a clear sense of how my own ethics are being informed and prayerfully transformed, through Jesus&#039; love ethic, I struggle in articulating it for others in a way that communicates what it all means to me. I&#039;m surprised and yet very happy to hear it seems like a private conversation to you. Thank you for sharing that as it&#039;s a real encouragement to me. 

Steph--&gt; Thanks! Isn&#039;t it funny how we try to so complicate everything when the foundation of everything is love? For some folks love just seems too simple of an answer, but maybe its because they&#039;re confusing simple with easy. 

Esther--&gt; You offered such thoughtful reflections to this conversation but I would do a disservice to offer any comments to what you shared at this late hour with the amount of sleepy fuzz in my brain. I look forward to reading it again in the morning after my coffee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly&#8211;> Thank you. For some reason I&#8217;ve been quite slow on getting through this series, though I realize it&#8217;s less a conversation to get through as an open-ended conversation that will continue. I think part of the slowness has been that while I have a clear sense of how my own ethics are being informed and prayerfully transformed, through Jesus&#8217; love ethic, I struggle in articulating it for others in a way that communicates what it all means to me. I&#8217;m surprised and yet very happy to hear it seems like a private conversation to you. Thank you for sharing that as it&#8217;s a real encouragement to me. </p>
<p>Steph&#8211;> Thanks! Isn&#8217;t it funny how we try to so complicate everything when the foundation of everything is love? For some folks love just seems too simple of an answer, but maybe its because they&#8217;re confusing simple with easy. </p>
<p>Esther&#8211;> You offered such thoughtful reflections to this conversation but I would do a disservice to offer any comments to what you shared at this late hour with the amount of sleepy fuzz in my brain. I look forward to reading it again in the morning after my coffee!</p>
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		<title>By: wvhillcountry</title>
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		<dc:creator>wvhillcountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita, I just wanted to tell you that I have printed out this series and I may need to print another copy because I have so many notes and things written in the margins.  Thank you so very much for taking the time to think this through and to write it for us.  Maybe I should say, &quot;write it for me.&quot;  Because when I read your words, I feel like we are having a private conversation.  It seems you just KNOW what to write and when.  Thank you agin for this space and place.  I come here often to regain my sanity and to find peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita, I just wanted to tell you that I have printed out this series and I may need to print another copy because I have so many notes and things written in the margins.  Thank you so very much for taking the time to think this through and to write it for us.  Maybe I should say, &#8220;write it for me.&#8221;  Because when I read your words, I feel like we are having a private conversation.  It seems you just KNOW what to write and when.  Thank you agin for this space and place.  I come here often to regain my sanity and to find peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this topic.  LOVE it.

Several years ago, around the time I was first coming out to myself, I was a member of a church that is more conservative than the one I attend now.  One Sunday night the pastor mentioned the book &lt;i&gt;Situation Ethics &lt;/i&gt; by Joseph Fletcher in his sermon.  He was disparaging the book,  but being the quiet rebel that I am, I thought it sounded like something I might agree with.  I also thought &quot;I think I have that book at home.&quot;  Sure enough, I did have it on my shelf - one of my late grandfather&#039;s books that my father had recommended I take and read someday.  It came off the shelf and I read it cover to cover.  And it&#039;s pretty much this - the law of love above all else.

So then later, when I was working on my master&#039;s in education and studying Kohlberg&#039;s stages of moral development, it came up again.  This level of moral development is the highest - we are not governed by rules, fear of punishment,  or maintaining the social order - we are living by a higher governing principle.  And as Christians, that higher principle is love.  Makes sense to me - sounds just like what Jesus said!

The troublesome part to me is this, though - Kohlberg&#039;s stages of moral development are closely tied to Piaget&#039;s stages of cognitive development.  And, as a teacher, I know that many people never get to the highest levels of cognitive reasoning, so they&#039;re also not able to get to the highest levels of moral reasoning.  Does that mean that people with less intelligence are intrinsically less moral?  I don&#039;t believe that - I just don&#039;t quite know what to think of it.  You really do have to be able to think and reason in order to live morally by principles instead of following rules.  You can&#039;t just give children &quot;guiding principles&quot; - they need rules.  And some people just never get past that -- some because they&#039;re afraid to challenge it, but others really don&#039;t have (or have not achieved) the intellectual capacity for such reasoning.  How do I live in community with people who are not going to think about morality the same way I do?  How do I keep from feeling superior?     And how do I explain my choices and actions to them?  It&#039;s been in the back of my brain for years - can&#039;t quite figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this topic.  LOVE it.</p>
<p>Several years ago, around the time I was first coming out to myself, I was a member of a church that is more conservative than the one I attend now.  One Sunday night the pastor mentioned the book <i>Situation Ethics </i> by Joseph Fletcher in his sermon.  He was disparaging the book,  but being the quiet rebel that I am, I thought it sounded like something I might agree with.  I also thought &#8220;I think I have that book at home.&#8221;  Sure enough, I did have it on my shelf &#8211; one of my late grandfather&#8217;s books that my father had recommended I take and read someday.  It came off the shelf and I read it cover to cover.  And it&#8217;s pretty much this &#8211; the law of love above all else.</p>
<p>So then later, when I was working on my master&#8217;s in education and studying Kohlberg&#8217;s stages of moral development, it came up again.  This level of moral development is the highest &#8211; we are not governed by rules, fear of punishment,  or maintaining the social order &#8211; we are living by a higher governing principle.  And as Christians, that higher principle is love.  Makes sense to me &#8211; sounds just like what Jesus said!</p>
<p>The troublesome part to me is this, though &#8211; Kohlberg&#8217;s stages of moral development are closely tied to Piaget&#8217;s stages of cognitive development.  And, as a teacher, I know that many people never get to the highest levels of cognitive reasoning, so they&#8217;re also not able to get to the highest levels of moral reasoning.  Does that mean that people with less intelligence are intrinsically less moral?  I don&#8217;t believe that &#8211; I just don&#8217;t quite know what to think of it.  You really do have to be able to think and reason in order to live morally by principles instead of following rules.  You can&#8217;t just give children &#8220;guiding principles&#8221; &#8211; they need rules.  And some people just never get past that &#8212; some because they&#8217;re afraid to challenge it, but others really don&#8217;t have (or have not achieved) the intellectual capacity for such reasoning.  How do I live in community with people who are not going to think about morality the same way I do?  How do I keep from feeling superior?     And how do I explain my choices and actions to them?  It&#8217;s been in the back of my brain for years &#8211; can&#8217;t quite figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, my favorite topic-love.

&quot;I think I’m becoming convinced more and more that true wisdom is ultimately found by those who hang everything on Jesus’ law of love.&quot;

I couldn&#039;t agree more. I think every little thing should be tested against this one law alone. I try to test my words and actions with this one law, often finding myself falling short.......but growing beyond belief.

Thanks Anita, I love this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, my favorite topic-love.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think I’m becoming convinced more and more that true wisdom is ultimately found by those who hang everything on Jesus’ law of love.&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. I think every little thing should be tested against this one law alone. I try to test my words and actions with this one law, often finding myself falling short&#8230;&#8230;.but growing beyond belief.</p>
<p>Thanks Anita, I love this.</p>
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