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		<title>By: Ester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautifully said, Anita. Love reigns and it always captures my heart when I see or hear this. I also tried so hard to change by going for therapy - phsycological, theophostic, other christian-councelling and through it all I learned and grew and healed amazingly, but no less gay - thats for sure! And loving my Father-God just more and more...as I experience Him being WITH me, IN me, THROUGH me. I have a long-long story of being a missionary at heart since age 7 and...and...
When my friends and family even asked me to let it go and just be... I still tried to change untill my God came to my rescue in convincing me that He loves me and want me as I am. Praise and Glory be unto Him..!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully said, Anita. Love reigns and it always captures my heart when I see or hear this. I also tried so hard to change by going for therapy &#8211; phsycological, theophostic, other christian-councelling and through it all I learned and grew and healed amazingly, but no less gay &#8211; thats for sure! And loving my Father-God just more and more&#8230;as I experience Him being WITH me, IN me, THROUGH me. I have a long-long story of being a missionary at heart since age 7 and&#8230;and&#8230;<br />
When my friends and family even asked me to let it go and just be&#8230; I still tried to change untill my God came to my rescue in convincing me that He loves me and want me as I am. Praise and Glory be unto Him..!</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
		<link>http://www.sisterfriends-together.org/what-about-the-ex-gay-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-19804</link>
		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthseeker --&gt; Again I can only respond as I did to you previous comment elsewhere with respect and the best of hopes for you as you journey with God. And again, what your experience has been and the truth you&#039;ve arrived at isn&#039;t one I share in that celibacy isn&#039;t something I believe God has called me to or as issued as a blanket call on every gay or lesbian person. Celibacy is a unique calling and one, at least in Scriptural precedent comes to individuals rather than to entire groups of people. Neither do I believe that intimacy with God is compromised through being in relationship and if that&#039;s the case, then I would imagine the argument could be made that heterosexual relationships equally diminish the potential for intimacy with God as do homosexual relationships. Rather my experience and belief is that one of the true blessings of an committed and intimate relationship is has the potential to bring the couple into an even deeper understanding of our intimate relationship with God as they live out a loving relationship with one another. So there you go. We&#039;re on different pages on this but ultimately we&#039;re trusting and placing our lives on the same book and in the same God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthseeker &#8211;&gt; Again I can only respond as I did to you previous comment elsewhere with respect and the best of hopes for you as you journey with God. And again, what your experience has been and the truth you&#8217;ve arrived at isn&#8217;t one I share in that celibacy isn&#8217;t something I believe God has called me to or as issued as a blanket call on every gay or lesbian person. Celibacy is a unique calling and one, at least in Scriptural precedent comes to individuals rather than to entire groups of people. Neither do I believe that intimacy with God is compromised through being in relationship and if that&#8217;s the case, then I would imagine the argument could be made that heterosexual relationships equally diminish the potential for intimacy with God as do homosexual relationships. Rather my experience and belief is that one of the true blessings of an committed and intimate relationship is has the potential to bring the couple into an even deeper understanding of our intimate relationship with God as they live out a loving relationship with one another. So there you go. We&#8217;re on different pages on this but ultimately we&#8217;re trusting and placing our lives on the same book and in the same God.</p>
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		<title>By: truthseeker</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthseeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After careful study of the Word, I have come to the conclusion that I am to be celibate due to my &quot;orientation&quot;.  I have been with women for many years, but God has drawn me to the greatest love there is...  intimacy with Him.  It has taken a while to understand this being separate unto Him kind of love, but it is worth the pain and struggle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After careful study of the Word, I have come to the conclusion that I am to be celibate due to my &#8220;orientation&#8221;.  I have been with women for many years, but God has drawn me to the greatest love there is&#8230;  intimacy with Him.  It has taken a while to understand this being separate unto Him kind of love, but it is worth the pain and struggle.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte --&gt;  I appreciate your entry, and I do believe God does use all kinds of circumstances to work in us and through us. I am so very glad your girlfriend was able to gain healing from issues that were truly affecting her; I am also grateful that she was able to come out of the &quot;ex-gay&quot; group not completely broken down as is the case with so many, many people. My issue, as I had hoped to convey above, is not that people work through real problems - I am a huge advocate of psychotherapy and have spent years in therapy working on my own issues - but rather that, upon entering a so-called &quot;ex-gay&quot; program, the focus is on one&#039;s sexual orientation that is different from the &quot;norm&quot; and perceived by certain groups of people as sinful, based solely on individual interpretations of a very few scriptural passages, without regard to historical, empirical or scientific evidence and understanding. Unfortunately, so many people are deeply and incredibly damaged by these programs, and while some folks may come out of these with other issues worked through and dealt with, the primary focus is on their homosexuality as if that were the big problem, when it really isn&#039;t a problem at all. Check out www.soulforce.org; www.truthwinsout.org; and www.beyondexgay.com. These are wonderful, powerful websites. 

I wish you and your girlfriend blessings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte &#8211;&gt;  I appreciate your entry, and I do believe God does use all kinds of circumstances to work in us and through us. I am so very glad your girlfriend was able to gain healing from issues that were truly affecting her; I am also grateful that she was able to come out of the &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; group not completely broken down as is the case with so many, many people. My issue, as I had hoped to convey above, is not that people work through real problems &#8211; I am a huge advocate of psychotherapy and have spent years in therapy working on my own issues &#8211; but rather that, upon entering a so-called &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; program, the focus is on one&#8217;s sexual orientation that is different from the &#8220;norm&#8221; and perceived by certain groups of people as sinful, based solely on individual interpretations of a very few scriptural passages, without regard to historical, empirical or scientific evidence and understanding. Unfortunately, so many people are deeply and incredibly damaged by these programs, and while some folks may come out of these with other issues worked through and dealt with, the primary focus is on their homosexuality as if that were the big problem, when it really isn&#8217;t a problem at all. Check out <a href="http://www.soulforce.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.soulforce.org</a>; <a href="http://www.truthwinsout.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthwinsout.org</a>; and <a href="http://www.beyondexgay.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondexgay.com</a>. These are wonderful, powerful websites. </p>
<p>I wish you and your girlfriend blessings!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura H

My girlfriend was ina n ex-gay ministry and though she now lives in an openly lesbian relationship with me and does not believe that homosexuality is wrong, she will tell anyone who will listen about the wonderful and amazing acts of healing God did for her while she was in that ex-gay ministry. No, she wasn&#039;t &quot;cured&quot; of her homosexuality but she did work through a lot of issues about all kinds of things and really experienced God in a powerful way. THis just proves that God can use all kinds of circumstances and people to speak to us, heal us and forgive us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura H</p>
<p>My girlfriend was ina n ex-gay ministry and though she now lives in an openly lesbian relationship with me and does not believe that homosexuality is wrong, she will tell anyone who will listen about the wonderful and amazing acts of healing God did for her while she was in that ex-gay ministry. No, she wasn&#8217;t &#8220;cured&#8221; of her homosexuality but she did work through a lot of issues about all kinds of things and really experienced God in a powerful way. THis just proves that God can use all kinds of circumstances and people to speak to us, heal us and forgive us.</p>
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		<title>By: anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina--&gt; I&#039;m so very glad you felt comfortable posting here and I gained so much from your story and how you chose to so honestly and graciously share what has been the path for you. I can add little to what Eliz and Kelly already said other than to add an Amen to their words equally with yours. May you continue to be led and strengthened by Christ&#039;s Spirit who unites us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina&#8211;> I&#8217;m so very glad you felt comfortable posting here and I gained so much from your story and how you chose to so honestly and graciously share what has been the path for you. I can add little to what Eliz and Kelly already said other than to add an Amen to their words equally with yours. May you continue to be led and strengthened by Christ&#8217;s Spirit who unites us all.</p>
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		<title>By: wvhillcountry</title>
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		<dc:creator>wvhillcountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina,  Every walk with God is different and unique to the person walking along his side.  And you are right, no one relationship is representative of all relationships.  Thanks you so very much for sharing your thoughts and ideas with us.  The more we converse, the more we understand.  The more we understand, the less we fear.  The less we fear, the less we hate.  The less we hate, the more we Love as Christ taught us.  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina,  Every walk with God is different and unique to the person walking along his side.  And you are right, no one relationship is representative of all relationships.  Thanks you so very much for sharing your thoughts and ideas with us.  The more we converse, the more we understand.  The more we understand, the less we fear.  The less we fear, the less we hate.  The less we hate, the more we Love as Christ taught us.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliz Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliz Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina Thank you for your insightful honest post here. I am glad you felt welcomed here to be able to share your experiences although they are different than many of us. I&#039;m also very thankful that God is big enough of all who call upon Him. I am happy to call you my sister in Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina Thank you for your insightful honest post here. I am glad you felt welcomed here to be able to share your experiences although they are different than many of us. I&#8217;m also very thankful that God is big enough of all who call upon Him. I am happy to call you my sister in Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so appreciate the spirit and Christianity in this discussion. 

I&#039;ll be upfront, I am an &quot;ex-lesbian&quot;. I have never supported &quot;restorative&quot; ministry because from my limited knowledge of it, it has always seemed far more harmful than healing. Nor did I ever seek counseling to &quot;fix&quot; my lesbian identity. I do not place blame on events or people for creating an &quot;illness&quot; in me. I don&#039;t believe that my lesbianism reflected a deficiency of character or lack of willpower when tempted. In fact, my departure from lesbian relationships wasn&#039;t SOUGHT out at all. 

As someone from &quot;the other side&quot; I would like to add a dimension that I did not see addressed here. First I would like to say however that I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a topical powerhouse on the subject, I can only share my thoughts and experiences. Second, I have to clarify that my comments here are derived SOLELY from my own thoughts and experiences and that I cannot and will not try and speak for anyone else. 

I don&#039;t consider myself &quot;healed&quot; of any immoral attitudes, actions or depravaties. Forgiven? Yes, as are all who believe in the lordship of Christ. I came to believe in a God of grace, who has a desire to use those He seeks out as believers for His divine purposes. He created us to enjoy relationship with Him. I am secure in my belief that God gave us relationship with each other in order to love others as He loves us. My thought is, if God loved me and sought me out when so many Christians did not, who am I to not love someone who&#039;s theology differs from mine? 

I am also very secure in my belief that lesbian relationships are not for me. I&#039;m less certain that homosexuality is strictly prohibited in Biblical terms, although I do question it in that if I am to be a Christian I should not interpret scripture for myself but I am called to prove it&#039;s truth through study and examination of it&#039;s contents and contexts. Because of that, my very personal revelation was that God created man to be in relationship with Him, and while he created gendered animals, he only created one sex of human. He wasn&#039;t pleased with that and created a complementary gender to be in relationship with the man. Without original sin would there be same-sex attraction and intimate relationship? I honestly don&#039;t have a clue about that, but I do know that for me, I didn&#039;t feel pressure from my family (although their reactions to my lesbian relationships ranged from indifferent to maniacally opposed) to &quot;change&quot;, I didn&#039;t feel career pressure to become &quot;heterosexual&quot; (I work in a field which seems to attract a larger percentage of homosexuals than others I&#039;m aware of); nor did I feel inherently flawed - as I saw mentioned in an earlier response I didn&#039;t feel that my sexual identity made me a potential tenderbox of sin to others. What I did feel, and what I continue to feel, is that I was in the wrong place for me. In many ways, one of which was the relationships I&#039;d been in.  

I stand with Anita in saying that I celebrate along with anyone, regardless of their &quot;sin&quot;, whose life is enriched and blessed by the presence of Christ. I don&#039;t feel that a Christian is less affirmed in their confession of Christ than another because their theology doesn&#039;t match mine. I don&#039;t feel that it&#039;s my responsibility to do anything other than share lovingly (and largely only when asked) that I haven&#039;t been able to reconcile my Christian beliefs with lesbian relationships. That does not in any way give me reign or calling to declare anyone in a homosexual relationship incapable of accepting Christ. As Christians with individual relationships with the Trinity I leave a persons callings (relational, vocational, recreational etc. between themselves and God). I have a hard time knowing that so many people I know who are gay or lesbian have been persecuted in the name of Christ. It&#039;s my utmost belief that He never condones or endorses persecution. 

I hope that I&#039;ve been able to aptly convey my recognition that because my relationship with Christ doesn&#039;t leave room for me to have lesbian relationships that I do not, will not and don&#039;t believe that relationship to be representative of anyone else&#039;s relationship with Him. It is my sincere wish as well to express again my great appreciation for this conversation, late as I may be in participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so appreciate the spirit and Christianity in this discussion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be upfront, I am an &#8220;ex-lesbian&#8221;. I have never supported &#8220;restorative&#8221; ministry because from my limited knowledge of it, it has always seemed far more harmful than healing. Nor did I ever seek counseling to &#8220;fix&#8221; my lesbian identity. I do not place blame on events or people for creating an &#8220;illness&#8221; in me. I don&#8217;t believe that my lesbianism reflected a deficiency of character or lack of willpower when tempted. In fact, my departure from lesbian relationships wasn&#8217;t SOUGHT out at all. </p>
<p>As someone from &#8220;the other side&#8221; I would like to add a dimension that I did not see addressed here. First I would like to say however that I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a topical powerhouse on the subject, I can only share my thoughts and experiences. Second, I have to clarify that my comments here are derived SOLELY from my own thoughts and experiences and that I cannot and will not try and speak for anyone else. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself &#8220;healed&#8221; of any immoral attitudes, actions or depravaties. Forgiven? Yes, as are all who believe in the lordship of Christ. I came to believe in a God of grace, who has a desire to use those He seeks out as believers for His divine purposes. He created us to enjoy relationship with Him. I am secure in my belief that God gave us relationship with each other in order to love others as He loves us. My thought is, if God loved me and sought me out when so many Christians did not, who am I to not love someone who&#8217;s theology differs from mine? </p>
<p>I am also very secure in my belief that lesbian relationships are not for me. I&#8217;m less certain that homosexuality is strictly prohibited in Biblical terms, although I do question it in that if I am to be a Christian I should not interpret scripture for myself but I am called to prove it&#8217;s truth through study and examination of it&#8217;s contents and contexts. Because of that, my very personal revelation was that God created man to be in relationship with Him, and while he created gendered animals, he only created one sex of human. He wasn&#8217;t pleased with that and created a complementary gender to be in relationship with the man. Without original sin would there be same-sex attraction and intimate relationship? I honestly don&#8217;t have a clue about that, but I do know that for me, I didn&#8217;t feel pressure from my family (although their reactions to my lesbian relationships ranged from indifferent to maniacally opposed) to &#8220;change&#8221;, I didn&#8217;t feel career pressure to become &#8220;heterosexual&#8221; (I work in a field which seems to attract a larger percentage of homosexuals than others I&#8217;m aware of); nor did I feel inherently flawed &#8211; as I saw mentioned in an earlier response I didn&#8217;t feel that my sexual identity made me a potential tenderbox of sin to others. What I did feel, and what I continue to feel, is that I was in the wrong place for me. In many ways, one of which was the relationships I&#8217;d been in.  </p>
<p>I stand with Anita in saying that I celebrate along with anyone, regardless of their &#8220;sin&#8221;, whose life is enriched and blessed by the presence of Christ. I don&#8217;t feel that a Christian is less affirmed in their confession of Christ than another because their theology doesn&#8217;t match mine. I don&#8217;t feel that it&#8217;s my responsibility to do anything other than share lovingly (and largely only when asked) that I haven&#8217;t been able to reconcile my Christian beliefs with lesbian relationships. That does not in any way give me reign or calling to declare anyone in a homosexual relationship incapable of accepting Christ. As Christians with individual relationships with the Trinity I leave a persons callings (relational, vocational, recreational etc. between themselves and God). I have a hard time knowing that so many people I know who are gay or lesbian have been persecuted in the name of Christ. It&#8217;s my utmost belief that He never condones or endorses persecution. </p>
<p>I hope that I&#8217;ve been able to aptly convey my recognition that because my relationship with Christ doesn&#8217;t leave room for me to have lesbian relationships that I do not, will not and don&#8217;t believe that relationship to be representative of anyone else&#8217;s relationship with Him. It is my sincere wish as well to express again my great appreciation for this conversation, late as I may be in participating.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for both of you writting back and forth with your ideas. It helped me some to understand about the ex-gay ministries and who I really am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for both of you writting back and forth with your ideas. It helped me some to understand about the ex-gay ministries and who I really am.</p>
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